george w. bush was more orderly than john kerry. and so if i'm a candidate this year, i'm trying to reassure people i'm the guy who can help you out when forces much bigger than you come in and give you a big wallop. >> you said a minute ago, you're not quite sure where mitt romney's soul is, and i think a lot of people, republicans included would agree with you about that. is he socially conservative? is he the massachusetts moderate? is he a small-government conservative? does that trouble you about what kind of president he would be? in other words, if we don't know who he is now, should we worry about who he would be if he got into office? >> yeah. it does trouble me. it disturbs me about how many different shapes he's taken. from a sheer management perspective. if you work in the reagan administration, if you started meeting at the deputy's level, you know what the president wants already, so you figure out how to enact what he basically wants. if you work for a president who doesn't know what he wants, then every policy decisi